Curse

EmpressMila · Feb 15, 2008, 08:13 AM // 08:13

When using SS, can you cast it on more than one enemy in the same mob and have it effectively double, triple etc. it's damage? Each creature it's cast on that damage being spread around as well?

Not sure exactly is that's how it works (only recently started using it), but if that's indeed how it works and each creature it's cast on then damages one another, I can see why SS is such a powerful build.

Just not sure whether or not that's actually how it works, so debating on it's use for an SS build, but with so many SS builds around I'm really tempted by it's possibility.

Thanks in advance for any clarification

Jamster · Feb 15, 2008, 08:21 AM // 08:21

Use it on one creature, every time it attacks, the bunched up group will take (37) damage.
Use it on a second while the hex is still active on the first, and either time either attacks, the group will take (37) damage. So yes, in a word

The long recharge can also be avoided by using HSR mods, and Arcane Echo, Arcane Mimicry etc., spells that could copy SS from a source, an ally or yourself.

gremlin · Feb 15, 2008, 09:04 AM // 09:04

It's quite devestating esp if the enemy remain bunched up.

I use mesmer as a secondary then I can keep ss going as long as I keep my energy pool up.
Reckless haste adds to the general mayhem and for finishing off the last few targets I use Signet of sorrow and signet of lost souls.

Autonom · Feb 15, 2008, 11:02 AM // 11:02

I use Arcane Echoe, SS and Ebon Battle Standard of Wisdom for shorter recharge.
Works out pretty well.

the_doode · Feb 15, 2008, 11:33 AM // 11:33

I usually take Arcane Echo,SS,RH,Desecrate and Defile Enchantments,Mindbender,Auscpicious Incantation and use it in following order; Mb->AI->AE->SS->SS-RH->DE->DE. They'll go down in matter of seconds

. I didn't try to use Battle Standard but it should work great with 20 or 40% hsr set and then Desecrate/Defile could be dropped. In this build my necro has about 60e and when I'm done casting all he still has about 15e (not sure about exact numbers,sorry). Note that this also works great in 55/SS since you'll deal much more damage + you'll have energy to cast 1st and 2nd visage if needed.

Trvth Jvstice · Feb 15, 2008, 01:31 PM // 13:31

I use [skill]arcane echo[/skill] [skill]spiteful spirit[/skill] [skill]reckless haste[/skill] [skill]parasitic bond[/skill] [skill]spinal shivers[/skill][skill]insidious parasite[/skill] [skill]signet of lost souls[/skill] [skill]resurrection signet[/skill]

dicecube · Feb 15, 2008, 07:03 PM // 19:03

was Enfeebling Blood nerfed? i don't see why u guys would'nt use it
i still use it everytime I SS regardless

Trvth Jvstice · Feb 15, 2008, 07:18 PM // 19:18

I used to use enfeebling blood, but since I added reckless haste, I felt that, along with SS and insidious parasite, I have enough anti mele to not worry about adding weakness. Of course I change my build slightly depending on where I am playing. As in adding enchant removal. I think I may have stopped using enfeebling blood because it was a higher energy skill, or the cast time was too long-I can't remember atm. The only reason I'm using parasitic bond is for an easily spammable cover hex with a little healing.

Fuzzy Taco · Feb 15, 2008, 07:41 PM // 19:41

everyone else has duly noted that SS works independently on each target it's applied to. as far as builds go, i run this quite a bit, with a minion master / minion bomber / other physicals on my team:

12+1+X Curses
12+1 SR
3 Prot

[skill]Spiteful Spirit[/skill][skill]Enfeebling Blood[/skill][skill]Barbs[/skill][skill]Mark of Pain[/skill][skill]Rebirth[/skill] along with Air of Superiority, Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support, and "Finish Him!".

that build does require a decent rank in a few titles, as well as Eye of the North. if you want to go with something more basic and easy to get, look at the other builds posted, as they're effective.

Longasc · Feb 15, 2008, 07:53 PM // 19:53

Yes, the Ebon Vanguard Assassin is a the perfect buddy for Mark of Pain!

I used it with MoP to clear the large Mob before the exit in Vloxen Excavations HM. Call MoP and have some of your teammates cast EVA once you call it...^^

@EmpressMila: As people already said, yes. You can try to get a 20/20+20/20 ("40/40") set for your necro, to have a decent change for half recharge/cast time plus maybe combo it with Arcane Echo as suggested.

Fuzzy Taco · Feb 15, 2008, 07:57 PM // 19:57

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Originally Posted by Longasc

Yes, the Ebon Vanguard Assassin is a the perfect buddy for Mark of Pain!

true. i have SS on the bar because it owns so much, but i end up getting caught up spamming Barbs, and MoP when i get the right air of Superiority bonus.

Carinae · Feb 15, 2008, 10:55 PM // 22:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trvth Jvstice

I used to use enfeebling blood, but since I added reckless haste...

Enfeebling Blood is one of the best and strongest skills available to a Curses necro. It's basically Prot Spirit for a necro. Generally speaking, it should be permanently glued on Curses bars. It certainly stomps the heck out of Reckless Haste.

Tyla · Feb 15, 2008, 11:31 PM // 23:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carinae Dragonblood

Enfeebling Blood is one of the best and strongest skills available to a Curses necro. It's basically Prot Spirit for a necro.

More than that!
That skills the bane of all damage!

@The OP:
It doesn't double, but it's based on the attack rate/skill use rate of enemies.

Trvth Jvstice · Feb 16, 2008, 12:04 AM // 00:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carinae Dragonblood

Enfeebling Blood is one of the best and strongest skills available to a Curses necro. It's basically Prot Spirit for a necro. Generally speaking, it should be permanently glued on Curses bars. It certainly stomps the heck out of Reckless Haste.

Ok, but I wouldn't replace reckless haste with enfeebling blood-I'd replace parasitic bond. When you put SS on someone, then reckless haste, it makes them attack more yet hit less, which is the best way I can think of to buff SS, other than echoing it. I guess you're saying, if you had to choose just one of the two you would take enfeebling blood.

dicecube · Feb 16, 2008, 01:04 AM // 01:04

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Originally Posted by Trvth Jvstice

Ok, but I wouldn't replace reckless haste with enfeebling blood-I'd replace parasitic bond. When you put SS on someone, then reckless haste, it makes them attack more yet hit less, which is the best way I can think of to buff SS, other than echoing it. I guess you're saying, if you had to choose just one of the two you would take enfeebling blood.

say someone was using reckless haste over enfeebling blood. Sure, you make them miss 50% of the time + make them attack faster by 25%, but how about the other 50%? They'll hit you for full damage. On the otherhand, if you used enfeebling blood on attackers, the target and all nearby foes would strike for 66% less damage. Instead of 50 damage, you'd take 16.5 (17) rounded up.

Death By Ketchup · Feb 16, 2008, 01:26 AM // 01:26

I use
arcane echo
spiteful spirit
enfeebling blood
mark of pain
barbs
reckless haste
sig of lost souls
res sig
If theres not much melee damage i swap out mark of pain for desecrate or mabye blood ritual if its being demanded of me lol.

Trvth Jvstice · Feb 16, 2008, 01:36 AM // 01:36

OK [skill]arcane echo[/skill] [skill]spiteful spirit[/skill] [skill]reckless haste[/skill] [skill]enfeebling blood[/skill] [skill]spinal shivers[/skill] [skill]price of failure[/skill] [skill]signet of lost souls[/skill] [skill]resurrection signet[/skill]

EDIT: I replaced [skill]insidious parasite[/skill] with [skill]price of failure[/skill] PoF works well with reckless haste, because the extra 25% chance to miss stacks with the chance to miss that comes with reckless haste.

dicecube · Feb 16, 2008, 02:32 AM // 02:32

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Originally Posted by Trvth Jvstice

OK [skill]arcane echo[/skill] [skill]spiteful spirit[/skill] [skill]reckless haste[/skill] [skill]enfeebling blood[/skill] [skill]spinal shivers[/skill] [skill]insidious parasite[/skill] [skill]signet of lost souls[/skill] [skill]resurrection signet[/skill]

Might remove [skill]insidious parasite[/skill] and take [skill]price of failure[/skill] instead. PoF would go well with reckless haste. Would the extra 25% chance to miss stack with reckless haste? Or I might take [skill]parasitic bond[/skill] It's a great cover hex and the extra healing is nice.

E-management would be a huge problem for you with that build, especially with spinal shivers draining your energy everytime it triggers. Since you are using /Me secondary, try using some e-management skills from the inspiration skill line. ex AI etc.

Trvth Jvstice · Feb 16, 2008, 02:52 AM // 02:52

Honestly, I rarely need to use Spinal Shivers, but the few occasions that it's needed it definitely pay off to have it in my skill bar. Most of the time I could easily do without it, but as a N/Me curse necro, I feel that I should take at least one interrupt skill. If you were gathering a pug, and someone advertised as a curse Nec, wouldn't you be surprised if they didn't have an interrupt skill?

So the energy drain from Spinal Shivers isn't much of a problem and I have 58 energy with my wand and offhand plus 15 in Soul Reaping.

Ensign · Feb 16, 2008, 04:38 AM // 04:38

If push came to shove I would drop every single skill on a PvE curse bar for Enfeebling Blood. I can't think of a single skill more valuable that I could take, let alone 8.

Yes, I'd cut Spiteful Spirit for Enfeebling Blood if I had to.